Bikeshed

Here we try and document previous discussions, outcomes or arguments for/against. This is to help new members know a bit of the history in discussions. Do note that something having been discussed does not mean it cannot be discussed again, arguments and opinions change

payments

Why no automatic incasso?

Cons

• in short, expensive and risky.
• see notes from ALV from March 2017 FIXME: Link
• costs: https://www.abnamro.nl/nl/zakelijk/betalen/tarieven/sepa-betalingsverkeer/girale-betalingen.html

Solutions

• Those wanting to pay by AI, pay a deposit of €60, just like they do with the fob, this covers any costs that may be incurred by them cancelling their payment on their side without informing techinc that it's going to happen. Member gets this money back of the cancel their membership through the correct channels (informing board etc...), same as they do the deposit on their key fob.

keeping the space clean/tidy

cleaning

bounties

see also: https://revspace.nl/Schoonmaakbounties

cleaner

A recurring subject is whether to hire a cleaner or not.

Arguments for

• space is a mess and not getting cleaned as much as it should
• some members might be quite willing to pay for this until we are good on income for rent (i am, -stef)

Arguments against

• we should be able to clean up after ourselves, diy-space and all.
• no money for it
• we should have a structure that supports members cleaning up (like bounty)
• Training a cleaner to not bin what is valued hardware, because they may not recognise it.
• Limited scope for what a cleaner could do, largely limited to vacuum the floor, clean the Kitchen area, sort out dirty dishes, give tables good scrubbing, throw away food(containers) that people left, clean out fridges, dust off stuff etc...

Other suggestions

• Roomba!

tidying

Before cleaning can happen, the place needs to be tidy.

Some different suggested structures

• everyone 'cleans' up their stuff.
• 3 weeks + free for all
•  ?

3weeks + free-for-all works

There are three boxes in a fixed place (currently next to the entrance door) below the books. Their positions (not the boxes) are labelled: 3 weeks, 2 weeks and 1 week.

• Whenever objects are found that are not labelled, not trash, and not in storage, they get moved straight into the 3 weeks box.
• Owners who have lost their belonging may recover them from the 3, 2, and 1 week boxes.
• Weekly (before the social?) the following happens:
  • The contents of the "1 week" box gets dumped into the trash. The person doing the dumping MAY decide that some item is worthy to keep in the space as free to use and SHOULD store it into an appropriate shelve.
  • The 2week box gets moved into the "1 week" position.
  • The 3week box gets moved into the "2 week" position
  • The old 1 week box (now empty) will be moved into the 3 week position.

Related to this, for objects too large to fit into the boxes, that "appear in the space" there is https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/UnidentifiedStoredObjects registration page.

Pets

Mice

We have wild mice.

Lethal/Nonlethal Mousetraps

https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/ACTA/mouse_trap

PRO

• People are not allergic/have fobias

CONS

• Traps need to be checked

Cats

• discussed on irc at 2017-04-11

PRO

• Cats are cute
• Cats help against mice
• Cats are cute

CON

• unclear whether this is allowed by landlord (UR)
• cat needs taking care of (attention, food, empty litter, prevent cat peeing on lasercutter, vet trips, etc)
• there are members with cat allergies
• keeping a cat locked up in the space all the time is considered by some to be cruel
• if we have a cat, we can't have the door open such as we do on social nights
• not all cats are good mousers, we may end up with a softy who doesn't hunt
• Cats don't always eat the whole mouse, expect to find some kidneys and part eaten mice on the floor
• cat hair, everywhere...

Snakes

PRO

• helps against mice?

CON

• snake fobias