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* Estimation of the weight, and figure out which parts are needed
 
* Estimation of the weight, and figure out which parts are needed
 
* See which camera would be suitable (programmable simple lightweight cam)
 
* See which camera would be suitable (programmable simple lightweight cam)
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* Think about the design
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* Design the frame
 
* Order parts
 
* Order parts
 
* Make the thing
 
* Make the thing
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== Parts ==
 
== Parts ==
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A more detailed list is here: [[Media:Parts-NarCopter.ods|Parts-NarCopter.ods]]
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Below some mind blurbs. A list with parts, the weights, and costs is here: [[Media:Parts-NarCopter.ods|Parts-NarCopter.ods]]
  
 
* Body/frame (DIY)
 
* Body/frame (DIY)
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* Receiver - DSM2 (what is maximum distance?) or LRS
 
* Receiver - DSM2 (what is maximum distance?) or LRS
 
* Motors
 
* Motors
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** Probably need a bit stronger motors than the [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__36514__D2822_17_Brushless_Outrunner_1100kv_EU_warehouse_.html Turnigy D2811/17] , because the total weight is higher (camera)
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** Probably need stronger motors than the [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__36514__D2822_17_Brushless_Outrunner_1100kv_EU_warehouse_.html Turnigy D2811/17] , because the total weight is higher (camera)
 
** [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=12916 Turnigy D2811/14 brushless outrunner 1100kv], 160W (compared to 102W of the D2811/17), thrust ~650g (x4 = 2600g). Same weight and size as the D2822/17.
 
** [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=12916 Turnigy D2811/14 brushless outrunner 1100kv], 160W (compared to 102W of the D2811/17), thrust ~650g (x4 = 2600g). Same weight and size as the D2822/17.
 
* Propellers
 
* Propellers
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** 8060 props are recommended for the D2811/14 motors
 
* Batteries
 
* Batteries
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** If a stronger motor is chosen a larger battery is needed, e.g. the [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9184__Turnigy_5000mAh_3S_20C_Lipo_Pack.html 5000mAh 3S 20C lipo pack], this weights twice as much as the other one, but the total flight time seems to be 150% of the smaller one
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** If a stronger motor is chosen a larger battery is needed, e.g. the [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9184__Turnigy_5000mAh_3S_20C_Lipo_Pack.html 5000mAh 3S 20C lipo pack], this weights twice as much as the other one, but the total flight time is theoretically 150% of the smaller one
 
** [http://multicopter.forestblue.nl/lipo_need_calculator.html Lipo battery calculator]
 
** [http://multicopter.forestblue.nl/lipo_need_calculator.html Lipo battery calculator]
 
* Camera stabiliser thingies (ah, "gimbal" is the name for it)
 
* Camera stabiliser thingies (ah, "gimbal" is the name for it)
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== NarCopter mini ==
 
== NarCopter mini ==
 
=== Parts ===
 
=== Parts ===
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Before I make a big one I'd like to get some flying experience with a small RTF (ready to fly) copter
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Before I make a big one I'd like to get some flying experience with a small semi-RTF (ready to fly) copter
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* [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__42844__HobbyKing_Pocket_Quad_V1_1_Ultra_Micro_DSM2_MultiWii_Quadcopter_PNF_.html HK pocket quad V1.1], MultiWii based
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* [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__42844__HobbyKing_Pocket_Quad_V1_1_Ultra_Micro_DSM2_MultiWii_Quadcopter_PNF_.html HK pocket quad V1.1], this little quad helps to get acquainted with MultiWii
 
* [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__42098__0716_Replacement_Brushed_Set_HobbyKing_Pocket_Quad_V1_1_Quadcopter_4pc_.html Spare motors]
 
* [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__42098__0716_Replacement_Brushed_Set_HobbyKing_Pocket_Quad_V1_1_Quadcopter_4pc_.html Spare motors]
 
* [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__42099__45mm_Replacement_Prop_Set_HobbyKing_Pocket_Quad_V1_1_Quadcopter_8pc_.html Spare props]
 
* [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__42099__45mm_Replacement_Prop_Set_HobbyKing_Pocket_Quad_V1_1_Quadcopter_8pc_.html Spare props]
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* [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__24656__OrangeRX_DSMX_DSM2_2_4Ghz_Transmitter_Module_JR_Turnigy_compatible_.html?strSearch=dsm2%20turnigy OrangeRX DSM2 RF module] (Turnigy compatible)
 
* [http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__24656__OrangeRX_DSMX_DSM2_2_4Ghz_Transmitter_Module_JR_Turnigy_compatible_.html?strSearch=dsm2%20turnigy OrangeRX DSM2 RF module] (Turnigy compatible)
 
=== Assembly ===
 
=== Assembly ===
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It already has connectors, so it is a matter of plug and play according to the advertisement.
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It already has connectors, so it is a matter of plug and play according to the advertisement. The quad has been modified by others, e.g. other motors, other RX, training wheels, landing gear, one person snapped off one of the arms and made a tri-copter of it (and it still flew).
  
 
The firmware might need customization. In an earlier version the motors kept spinning when on standby, and a minor change might be necessary to connect with the TX.
 
The firmware might need customization. In an earlier version the motors kept spinning when on standby, and a minor change might be necessary to connect with the TX.
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In short:
 
In short:
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* Officially flights are not allowed, but an exception is made for recreational flights
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* Officially, flights are not allowed, but an exception is made for recreational flights
 
** Commercial use of copters is not allowed without permission
 
** Commercial use of copters is not allowed without permission
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** Recreation use is allowed and you don't have to ask for permission to fly
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** Recreational flights are allowed and you don't have to ask for permission to fly
 
* Weight should be below 25kg
 
* Weight should be below 25kg
 
* The operator must be able to see the copter from the ground
 
* The operator must be able to see the copter from the ground

Revision as of 11:58, 4 January 2014

Projects
Participants Narya
Skills Soldering, Electronics, Coding, Cameras
Status Getting parts
Niche Electronics
Purpose Fun

The idea

Make a quad copter that can make pictures

  • so stability is preferred over stunting
  • would be nice if I could add auto navigation, but this is not required
  • want to control the camera from the ground
  • budget ~250 euro

Related and inspired by:

To do

  • Gather info about comparable quad-copters
  • Estimation of the weight, and figure out which parts are needed
  • See which camera would be suitable (programmable simple lightweight cam)
  • Design the frame
  • Order parts
  • Make the thing
  • Learn to fly

Parts

Below some mind blurbs. A list with parts, the weights, and costs is here: Parts-NarCopter.ods

  • Body/frame (DIY)
    • Choose build and material: printed, wood, and/or carbon frame
    • Models Thingiverse
    • Carbon 4.50-8.50 euro per meter Muco
  • Flight control board, with integrated camera control (gimbal and push-the-button support), and with GPS support
  • Transmitter
  • Receiver - DSM2 (what is maximum distance?) or LRS
  • Motors
  • Propellers
    • 8060 props are recommended for the D2811/14 motors
  • Batteries
  • Camera stabiliser thingies (ah, "gimbal" is the name for it)
    • Price range $15-$40, weight 80-200g
  • Wires (probably enough of those at home), connectors and stuff
Totals with components of Justa_copter_1 and AnusCopter as basis
Weight incl camera: 1160g
Excl camera and mount: 904g
Total costs: 245 euro
Parts-NarCopter.ods

Spare

  • battery
  • motor
  • props
  • frame parts
  • ...

NarCopter mini

Parts

Before I make a big one I'd like to get some flying experience with a small semi-RTF (ready to fly) copter

$62 excl shipping

Forum thread about this copter

Assembly

It already has connectors, so it is a matter of plug and play according to the advertisement. The quad has been modified by others, e.g. other motors, other RX, training wheels, landing gear, one person snapped off one of the arms and made a tri-copter of it (and it still flew).

The firmware might need customization. In an earlier version the motors kept spinning when on standby, and a minor change might be necessary to connect with the TX.

I want to add landing gear and training wheels (rings around the motors)

Ordered

1 January 2014

  • Transmitter with RF module
  • Parts for the NarCopter mini

Dutch law about recreational RC flights

Dutch law recreational flights (Dutch)

In short:

  • Officially, flights are not allowed, but an exception is made for recreational flights
    • Commercial use of copters is not allowed without permission
    • Recreational flights are allowed and you don't have to ask for permission to fly
  • Weight should be below 25kg
  • The operator must be able to see the copter from the ground
    • Using camera's (first person view, FPV) to fly the copter outside of this range is not allowed
    • Camera's on the copter are allowed
  • Safety
    • Do not fly above (groups of) people, buildings, sculptures, railways and highways
    • Flying above 30km roads in urban areas and 60km roads outside the city is allowed
    • Height: maximum 450m. Be sure to let someone else check if there is no aircraft nearby if you fly above 150m. The flight should not endanger aviation
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